1 00:00:02,68 --> 00:00:05,21 If. That's 2 00:00:05,22 --> 00:00:12,57 a great story. Yes. I 3 00:00:12,58 --> 00:00:12,66 am I 4 00:00:12,67 --> 00:00:23,10 here 5 00:00:23,19 --> 00:00:29,94 thank you we were caught. Twice first time I was incarcerated 6 00:00:30,52 --> 00:00:35,93 and on my way to prison was in one nine hundred seventy six April I was on Rikers 7 00:00:35,94 --> 00:00:42,12 Island for about and took January of next year Jan worst one nine hundred seventy 8 00:00:42,13 --> 00:00:48,97 seven it was obvious sentenced the third week of January and sent up to Elmira 9 00:00:49,01 --> 00:00:54,06 New York rection facility we I was supposed to begin my 10 00:00:55,45 --> 00:00:59,16 rehabilitation as an enemy and 11 00:00:59,18 --> 00:01:05,28 a convict once you're behind those Baugh's you know that you're not in control 12 00:01:05,32 --> 00:01:05,72 you're just 13 00:01:05,73 --> 00:01:12,57 a little minute piece of everything that's going on and taking 14 00:01:12,58 --> 00:01:19,02 away my regular daily privileges that you're used to being out on the street that 15 00:01:19,03 --> 00:01:21,73 was reform for me I couldn't go buy 16 00:01:21,74 --> 00:01:28,00 a soda you couldn't see the sky if they were locked if you're locked in this part 17 00:01:28,86 --> 00:01:35,41 it can change you for the worse instead of better it's really up to you they go to 18 00:01:35,42 --> 00:01:36,47 prison learn 19 00:01:36,48 --> 00:01:42,94 a lesson do what they supposed to of what society tells us we're supposed to do and 20 00:01:42,95 --> 00:01:49,31 does it and succeeds so yes prison for reform still exists but nothing like it 21 00:01:49,32 --> 00:01:55,08 existed twenty thirty forty years ago time or rather sixteen. 22 00:01:56,62 --> 00:02:01,94 From there it just escalated you could say to his sense of being 23 00:02:01,95 --> 00:02:07,100 a career criminal you know this. Kind of Life got. To where I was and. 24 00:02:09,91 --> 00:02:16,03 Say About thirty. You know we're from Rikers Island upstate. 25 00:02:18,39 --> 00:02:24,07 So all that kind of progress you know you can do more time where we every time I 26 00:02:24,08 --> 00:02:30,26 come back almost I'm up there on my last sentence. Fifty eight months. 27 00:02:36,80 --> 00:02:43,61 So I went to the. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Did some 28 00:02:43,62 --> 00:02:49,89 time low medium. So. Yeah everything just 29 00:02:51,23 --> 00:02:56,60 you know up into the hole in the box twenty three. You know I was just 30 00:02:56,61 --> 00:03:03,46 a real knucklehead going to get them in ministration help me be reform myself and 31 00:03:04,29 --> 00:03:10,91 I got tired of going back to prison you know my record. On you know thirty 32 00:03:10,92 --> 00:03:15,63 something the US you know ran from police officers Numerous 33 00:03:15,64 --> 00:03:22,28 a time you know and I would have known. Better. I just got tired of just one day. 34 00:03:24,53 --> 00:03:30,83 I didn't wake up I got arrested again for the third time like going upstate again 35 00:03:30,84 --> 00:03:37,76 for the third time I was just tired and. The form came where I spoke to 36 00:03:37,77 --> 00:03:44,59 his brother Augustine. I said Man I'm tired of my life and. He was 37 00:03:44,60 --> 00:03:47,15 a Christian and he saw me you know different 38 00:03:47,27 --> 00:03:52,12 a different way you know and I say you know what like I never tried it God's way so 39 00:03:52,12 --> 00:03:58,55 . Let me try God's Holy. Molly how best they can 40 00:03:59,24 --> 00:04:01,11 give me my worst predicaments be in 41 00:04:01,12 --> 00:04:08,01 a car. This is good this bad I mean I know the little kids love us old 42 00:04:08,02 --> 00:04:14,76 ladies. Everybody is happy to see us and that feels good 43 00:04:15,76 --> 00:04:17,82 filler appreciated about 44 00:04:17,83 --> 00:04:24,25 a public I know so much has happened. You know you here in New York City or in 45 00:04:24,26 --> 00:04:30,40 other places. But it feels good that I'm serving the public good and you know I 46 00:04:30,41 --> 00:04:35,62 have people who are happy with the job that I do but I feel about prison reform. 47 00:04:38,54 --> 00:04:39,77 Actually it's it's 48 00:04:39,78 --> 00:04:46,45 a revolving door people in and out. There doing the same 49 00:04:46,46 --> 00:04:50,36 things. People they come back are they just 50 00:04:50,37 --> 00:04:56,96 a pick up any do the same things. I don't see the rehabilitation and the mindset 51 00:04:57,41 --> 00:05:01,78 of some of the people that come out. It's not. 52 00:05:04,85 --> 00:05:11,61 What you say. I mean they just want to on 53 00:05:11,62 --> 00:05:12,61 a different they're just 54 00:05:12,65 --> 00:05:18,21 a different person wants to come out arrested going after someone who has. 55 00:05:21,07 --> 00:05:23,86 Murdered someone. Had 56 00:05:23,87 --> 00:05:30,12 a violent history I mean you really think about it. You know you think 57 00:05:30,13 --> 00:05:35,35 tactics approach this person. There's 58 00:05:35,36 --> 00:05:41,83 a certain level of fear that you have to. That the unexpected You don't know what 59 00:05:41,84 --> 00:05:48,02 to expect from this person. You know what grace 60 00:05:48,03 --> 00:05:55,02 a guy I could tell you. Those encounters that I've had with people. It turn 61 00:05:55,03 --> 00:05:58,69 out OK Bob I've always had children but right now they're working on 62 00:05:58,70 --> 00:06:03,95 a job for less fourteen years practically since I was about 63 00:06:04,39 --> 00:06:10,03 a year after I was released from prison the last bit that someone did time after 64 00:06:10,04 --> 00:06:10,33 about 65 00:06:10,34 --> 00:06:17,11 a year he didn't have that I was home lost dog back who attended 66 00:06:17,12 --> 00:06:23,92 church because I knew man that was all for it me no woman going to AA. You know 67 00:06:23,93 --> 00:06:29,11 not to call for feel nice about rehabilitation can people be rehabilitated I 68 00:06:29,12 --> 00:06:31,95 believe yes already can.